Gary Numan Interview
"Haha! What a fun date I must be! Fucking hell, how I ever got married I don't know!" - Gary Numan talks about his idiosyncrasies with Outline's Lenore...
The original electro synth pioneer is back and in Norwich to prove that, despite his increasing years, he will never be boring, to you or himself. Whether it be his 1979 hit 'Cars' or his later industrial releases Gary Numan has been doing his thing for more than 30 years and shows no sign of slowing down. His music has influenced everyone from Nine Inch Nails to Kanye West and after recently moving to America he chats to Lenore about his forthcoming album, loving Halloween in the US and why he will always love being British (in spite of the weather).
You've recently moved to America, what prompted the relocation?It was quite a long process for me, I started thinking about it years ago. There was quite a lot of stuff in the press actually that said I was doing it because of the riots or my wife being attacked in our village, all of which was utter bollocks. Firstly my wife wasn't attacked and we were already a year into the process when the riots happened so it was nothing to do with that. It was really to do with two things. First of all I've got three little girls aged 9, 7 and 5. As they start to get older you start to think what they're going to do with their lives, you start to think a little differently. For all of Britain's equality legislation I still think women have obstacles placed in front of them compared to The US. I come here a lot, for work and various reasons, and I always thought women here had much more opportunity, not only in the scope of things open to them but to the level at which they can succeed. It's common here to have women at the top level, whatever industry they're in be it entertainment or otherwise, and I've always been really impressed by that. So that's what I wanted for my little girls. I wanted them to be able to choose from as wide a range of things as possible and to have no obstacles in their way. So that was an important thing for me - something five years ago I wasn't thinking about at all.
On the other side of it, I started to think about my own future and where I could do best because I'm getting older - I'm 54 now. There's going to come a point where making albums, touring the world, as much as I love it, as much as I would like it to last forever, isn't viable any more. I need to think what I want to do next. If I want to stay in music what would I do if I'm not going to be touring? That's where I earn the bulk of my money. I need something to replace it, so I stared to think about film, composing for TV and that sort of thing. I had a talk to a number of people over a period of time in Britain, and there just aren't the opportunities there. We came very close to doing a film recently and it fell through. There are just so few opportunities for so many people trying to get the work so we just don't have a big enough film or TV industry to handle the amount of people that want to do it. So again I started to look here - it's the global centre for entertainment, TV, film and so on. if you want to work in those areas there are more opportunities here than anywhere else. It's still difficult to come here and step into that but you've got to start sowing the seeds at some point. If in ten years time I think this touring lark is getting a bit much for me then I would already have had to be working in film a little bit to get experienced, to understand their requirements which are very different to making albums. To have made all the contacts, to have done a few things, to have proved I can do it so when I do ease myself from one to the other I know what I'm doing and people here respect me and know that I can do the job.
Beyond that, where do you love being the most?I love it here, the weather is beautiful, the people are friendly, there is so much to do. This weekend, we're going to drive out to a lake called Big Bear in the mountains, stunningly beautiful. We're going to come back and go to the beach, the temperature is going to be in the mid 80s even in November. It's as simple as that really! I can't understand why the whole planet isn't applying to come here! The Americans are moaning because they think it's cold though, by Los Angeles standards mid 80s is a bit of a nippy day!
I feel really guilty for leaving though because I'm absolutely British through and through, top to bottom. I've no intention of losing my accent and my sense of humour is not going to budge for a second, but I'd spent the best of the Summer looking out of the windows at the rain with the kids winging. It's fucking annoying! I'm too old for that! Every day I'm stuck inside looking out at the rain is a day of my life wasted. I don't want to have to waste another single day of my life because of the fucking weather. Being here fixes that.
Although on Sunday morning we had an earthquake. I've never been in an earthquake before, that was a shocker!
Was it quite a large one?No, but the Americans were laughing at me because I'm running around like an idiot saying 'Wow! how amazing was that?!' and it was as serious as someone bumping into you. It felt like an aeroplane had flown into the side of the house. A massive bang, the whole house shook. Then my bed started shaking like something out of the exorcist. Fucking hell it freaked me out! Being an Englishman you don't think earthquake, you think ghosts, it was dark, I thought we were being haunted! Then I ran outside cos I though it was the dog! I've got a huge dog, an English Mastiff that weighs about 15 stone, and I thought he might be having a fit because he sleeps next to the bedroom door or maybe scratching himself. That shouldn't be shaking the bed I know but I couldn't get my head together. I flew out the bedroom to find Wilbur the dog standing up and everything was still shaking. That's when it dawned on me it must be an earthquake. Then I got excited. I flew downstairs to make sure the kids were ok and they were all hiding under a quilt in one room, actually loving it thinking it was really good fun. So lovely weather but you do get the odd earthquake from time to time!
How are the Americans taking to you?They're lovely, they're the most welcoming people I've ever met. We go to the school every morning and everyone is so welcoming. They're bringing things in to you, dozens of emails every day 'you should go here' or 'try this place' or 'if you need this try here'. We're doing some work on the house and the workman are so considerate, so careful and polite to a fault. I've not seen a single yob. We went out on Halloween last night and it was a totally different experience. I did Halloween last year back in England and we were having to ring around people that we knew to see if anyone on their street was doing it and would let the kids knock on their door. That's how unfriendly it was. Here last night there were over 1000 people out on my street alone, it's only about 400 yards long! All the houses were lit up. It's like a massive festival. Everyone is dressed up, mums, dads and the kids. It's phenomenal, I couldn't believe how brilliant it was. It's like that with a lot of things, everything is an excuse to have a massive celebration. And there's no trouble, everyone joins in, no one is being lairy or drunk, the kids loved it.
Now talking about the tour, you said you still really enjoyed touring after all this time, how do you keep it interesting for yourself?I avoid nostalgia. If you go out and tour regularly and play the same songs every fucking time, you just live on your past glories and just play the singles and all that. How boring is that going to be after two or three times? I've got no time for it. I'm really excited about my new stuff, about the next album I'm making and the one I've just made and they're the songs I want to play live. So every time you do new stuff you really just want to get it out on stage and see how it works and see what the audience make of it. You just want to be doing something new. For me I've never changed that. My very first tour I was playing my new album, because that's what I was passionate about at the time and I've never lost that. Every time a new album is ready I want to play it live. This tour falls in between two camps. There was a new album out last year and there's a new album coming out next year. So I'm doing some of the songs from last years album, although pretty much all the songs we're doing from that are remix versions. There's an album coming out called 'Dead Moon Falling' which is remix version of the last album 'Dead Son Rising', so even the last album we're not doing the same thing. We're trying to keep it fresh for everyone, me, the band and the audience. Obviously not everything will be different, we'll be doing my two big singles 'Cars' and 'Are Friends Electric?' although we do slightly different versions of the originals even then. There are going to be a small number of songs in there that people will expect and will get to hear. Maybe a fifth of the set will be a nod to the back catalogue but the rest of it will be new. I love touring more now than I ever have. Some of that comes because I've been doing it a long time and I've got more confidence and I'm relaxed and can enjoy it. I can stop worrying about things going wrong or forgetting the lyrics and all that shit. Because that's happened and it's not nearly as embarrassing as you expect, it's a bit of a laugh really. I've been doing this for 34 years I think, God knows show many shows, but you lose all that stage fright and all that's left is the excitement of doing it. I can't imagine not doing it now. Coming here with a plan of what to do when it's all finished is, in truth, the last thing I want to do, I never want to stop touring. ever. If I could do it when I was 120 I would!
You never know with medical advances you might just be touring into your hundreds! On a completely different topic, have you been following the case of Gary Mckinnon, the Aspergers sufferer who was being extradited to the US for hacking into their secularity systems? I just wondered if being a sufferer of Aspergers yourself if you had taken a special interest?I've seen it on the news and read about the case. I'm quite sympathetic to be honest. It's probably a bit of a sweeping generalisation but I know that from an Aspergers point of view, having an obsessive tendency to see something through is something you can't help. If you have an idea, if you wonder if you can do something, you almost can't help yourself but see it through to the very, very end and see how far you can take it, and there would be no malicious intent in that. It becomes like an unquenchable thirst that you have to satisfy. Can I get to the next level? Can I get to the next level? And if you can then you just do because you're obsessed. Part of having Aspergers is having an obsessive character. In my position it's been extremely helpful. Yo have obsessive tendencies in the music business, to have a ridiculous degree of focus on something and to have goals and a blinkered approach where everything else is pushed to one side to get to where you want to go is actually a very useful thing. In music it doesn't really have a bad side, other than I'm a bit antisocial. But in that situation, what he did there was obviously a downside. Pro-American as I am I'm very much on his side and for him to have any kind of heavy punishment for what he did would be completely inappropriate for what he was trying to do. He wasn't trying to bring down America or corrupt their systems, he was just seeing how far he could get.
When I interviewed you before you told me you spent a whole year counting the number of number plates that started with a 'G', it's that kind of thing isn't it?Haha! What a fun date I must be! Fucking hell, how I ever got married I don't know!
Lenore
Gary Numan plays the UEA on December 5th. Tickets are available from www.ueaticketbookings.co.uk or call 01603 508050. Read the full interview on Outlineonline.co.uk